Al Sharpton recoils in horror.

LEMON: “You said this is not a black and white issue. Do you in that — do you, so you are saying this is not an issue of race after —? Do you think it’s a racial issue?”

GARNER: “I really doubt it. It was about the officer ‘s pride. It was about my father being 6’4″ and 350 pounds and he wants to be the top cop that brings a big man down the because he’s just big. I mean, my father wasn’t even doing anything. I mean, you know, he wasn’t really doing nothing. He didn’t have no [sic] gun, he didn’t run, he didn’t smack him, nothing.”

LEMON: “A lot of people would be surprised because this is being made out to be a racial issue —“

GARNER: “I’m not.”

LEMON: “And you are saying you don’t think it’s about the race?”

GARNER: “Being that my father was black and the officer was white — I mean, that’s different races, but as far as this situation — uh, I can’t really say it’s like really a black and white issue. It’s about, you know, the police officer and abuse of their power.”